Trump: OK,
thank you very much. Hello
Brad and Ryan and everybody.
We appreciate the time
and the call. So we've
spent a lot of time on this
and if we could just go over
some of the
numbers, I think it's
pretty clear that we won. We
won very substantially in
Georgia. You even
see it by rally size,
frankly. We'd be
getting 25-30,000 people a
rally and the competition
would
get less than 100
people. And it never
made sense.
But
we have a number of things.
We have at least 2 or 3 —
anywhere from 250-300,000
ballots
were dropped
mysteriously into the rolls.
Much of that had to do with
Fulton County, which
hasn't been
checked. We think that
if you check the signatures
— a real check of the
signatures going back
in Fulton County
you'll find at least a
couple of hundred thousand
of
forged signatures of
people who have been
forged. And we are
quite sure that's going to
happen.
Another
tremendous number. We're
going to have an accurate
number over the next two
days
with certified
accountants. But an accurate
number but its in the 50s of
thousands— and that's
people that went
to vote and they were told
they can't vote because
they've already been voted
for. And it's a very
sad thing. They walked out
complaining. But the
number's large. We'll have
it
for you. But it's much
more than the number of
11,779 that's — The current
margin is only
11,779. Brad, I think
you agree with that, right?
That's something I think
everyone — at least
that's' a number that
everyone agrees on.
But
that's the difference in the
votes. But we've had
hundreds of thousands of
ballots that we're
able to actually —
we'll get you a pretty
accurate number. You don't
need much of a number
because the number
that in theory I lost by,
the margin would be 11,779.
But you also have a
substantial numbers of
people, thousands and
thousands who went to the
voting place on
November 3, were told
they couldn't vote, were
told they couldn't vote
because a ballot had
been put on their
name. And you know that's
very, very, very, very sad.
We
had, I believe it's about
4,502 voters who voted but
who weren't on the voter
registration
list, so it's 4,502
who voted but they weren't
on the voter registration
roll which they had to be.
You had 18,325 vacant
address voters. The address
was vacant and they're not
allowed to be
counted. That's
18,325.
Smaller
number — you had 904 who
only voted where they had
just a P.O. — a post office
box
number — and
they had a post office box
number and that's not
allowed. We had at least
18,000 — that's on
tape we had them counted
very painstakingly — 18,000
voters having to do
with [name]. She's a
vote scammer, a professional
vote scammer and hustler
[name]. That was
the tape that's been
shown all over the world
that makes everybody look
bad, you me and
everybody else. Where
they got — number one they
said very clearly and it's
been reported
they said there was a
major water main
break. Everybody fled the
area. And then they came
back, [name] and her
daughter and a few
people. There were no
Republican poll watchers.
Actually, there were
no Democrat poll watchers, I
guess they were them.
But there were no
Democrats, either and
there was no law
enforcement. Late in
the morning, they went
early in
the morning they went
to the table with the black
robe, the black shield and
they pulled out the
votes. Those votes
were put there a number of
hours before the table was
put there. I think it
was, Brad you would
know, it was probably eight
hours or seven hours before
and then it was
stuffed with votes.
They
weren't in an official voter
box, but they were in what
looked to be suitcases or
trunks,
suitcases but they
weren't in voter boxes. The
minimum number it could be
because we
watched it and they
watched it certified in slow
motion instant replay if you
can believe it but
slow motion and it was
magnified many times over
and the minimum it was
18,000 ballots, all
for Biden.
You
had out-of-state voters.
They voted in Georgia but
they were from out of state,
of 4,925.
You had absentee
ballots sent to vacant, they
were absentee ballots sent
to vacant addresses.
They had nothing on
them about addresses, that's
2,326.
And
you had drop boxes, which is
very bad. You had drop boxes
that were picked up. We have
photographs and we
have affidavits from many
people.
I
don't know if you saw the
hearings, but you have drop
boxes where the box was
picked up but
not delivered for
three days. So all sorts of
things could have happened
to that box including,
you know, putting in
the votes that you wanted.
So there were many
infractions and the bottom
line is, many, many
times the 11,779 margin that
they said we lost by — we
had vast I mean the
state is in turmoil
over this.
And
I know you would like to get
to the bottom of it,
although I saw you on
television today and
you said that you
found nothing wrong. I mean,
you know, And I didn't lose
the state, Brad.
People have been
saying that it was the
highest vote ever. There was
no way. A lot of the
political people said
that there's no way they
beat me. And they beat me.
They beat me in the
... As you know, every
single state ... we won
every state we one every
statehouse in the
country. We held the
Senate which is shocking to
people, although we'll see
what happens
tomorrow or in a few
days.
And
we won the House, but we won
every single statehouse and
we won Congress, which was
supposed to lose 15 seats,
and they gained, I think 16
or 17 or something. I think
there's a now difference of
five. There was supposed to
be a difference
substantially more. But
politicians in every state,
but politicians in Georgia
have given affidavits or are
going to that, that there
was no way that they beat me
in the election that the
people came out, in fact,
they were expecting to lose
and then they ended up
winning by a lot because of
the coattails. And they said
there's no way that they've
done many polls prior to the
election. There was no way
that they won.
Ballots
were dropped in massive
numbers. And we're trying to
get to those numbers and we
will
have them.
They'll take a period
of time. Certified. But but
they're massive numbers. And
far greater than
the 11,779.
The
other thing, dead people. So
dead people voted and I
think the number is close to
5,000
people. And they went
to obituaries. They went to
all sorts of methods to come
up with an
accurate number and a
minimum is close to about
5,000 voters.
The
bottom line is when you add
it all up and then you start
adding, you know, 300,000
fake
ballots. Then the
other thing they said is in
Fulton County and other
areas. And this may or may
not ... because this
just came up this morning
that they are burning their
ballots, that they are
shredding, shredding
ballots and removing
equipment. They're changing
the equipment on the
Dominion machines and,
you know, that's not legal.
And
they supposedly shredded I
think they said 300 pounds
of, 3,000 pounds of ballots.
And
that just came to us
as a report today. And it is
a very sad situation.
But
Brad, if you took the
minimum numbers where many,
many times above the 11,779
and
many of those numbers
are certified, or they will
be certified but they are
certified. And those
are numbers that are
there that exist. And that
beat the margin of loss,
they beat it, I mean by a
lot and people should
be happy to have an accurate
count instead of an election
where there's
turmoil.
I
mean there's turmoil in
Georgia and other places.
You're not the only one I
mean we have
other states that I
believe will be flipping to
us very shortly. And this is
something that — You
know, as an example, I
think it in Detroit, I think
there's a section a good
section of your state
actually, which we're
not sure so we're not going
to report it yet. But in
Detroit, we had, I think it
was, 139% of the
people voted. That's not too
good.
In
Pennsylvania, they had well
over 200,000 more votes than
they had people voting. And
uh
that doesn't play too
well, and the legislature
there is, which is
Republican, is extremely
activist
and angry. I mean,
there were other things also
that were almost as bad as
that. But, uh, they
had as an example, in
Michigan, a tremendous
number of dead people that
voted. I think it was
I think, Mark, it was
18,000. Some unbelievably
high number, much higher
than yours, you were
in the 4-5,000
category.
And
that was checked out
laboriously by going
through, by going through
the obituary columns
in the newspapers.
So
I guess with all of it being
said, Brad, the bottom line
and provisional ballots,
again, you
know, you'll have to
tell me about the
provisional ballots, but we
have a lot of people that
were
complaining that they
weren't able to vote because
they were already voted for.
These are
great people.
And,
you know, they were
shellshocked. I don't know
if you call that provisional
ballots. In some
states we had a lot of
provisional ballot
situations where people were
given a provisional ballot
because when they
walked in on November 3 and
they were already voted for.
So
that's it. I mean, we have
many many times the number
of votes necessary to win
the state.
And we won the state
and we won it very
substantially and easily and
we're getting, we have,
much of this is a
very, you know they're
certified, far more
certified than we need. But
we're
getting additional
numbers certified, too.
And we're getting
pictures of dropboxes being
delivered and delivered
late. Delivered three
days later, in some
cases, plus we have many
affidavits to that effect.
Meadows: So
Mr. President, if I might be
able to jump in and I'll
give Brad a chance. Mr
. Secretary, obviously there
is, there are allegations
where we believe that not
every vote or fair
vote and legal vote
was counted and that's at
odds with the representation
from the secretary of
state's office.
What
I'm hopeful for is there
some way that we can we can
find some kind of agreement
to look
at this a little bit
more fully. You know the
president mentioned Fulton
County.
But
in some of these areas where
there seems to be a
difference of where the
facts seem to
lead, and so Mr.
Secretary, I was hopeful
that, you know, in the
spirit of cooperation and
compromise is there
something that we can at
least have a discussion to
look at some of these
allegations to find a
path forward that's less
litigious?
Raffensperger: Well,
I listened to what the
President has just said.
President Trump, we've
had several
lawsuits and we've had to
respond in court to the
lawsuits and the contentions
. Um, we don't agree that
you have won. And we don't —
I didn't agree about the
200,000
number that you'd
mentioned. And I can go
through that point by point.
What
we have done is we gave our
state Senate about one and a
half hours of our time going
through the election
issue by issue and then on
the state House, the
government affairs
committee, we gave
them about two and a half
hours of our time, going
back point by point on
all the issues of
contention. And then just a
few days ago we met with our
U.S. congressmen,
Republican
congressmen, and we gave
them about two hours of our
time talking about this
past election. Going
back, primarily what you've
talked about here focused in
on primarily, I
believe, is the
absentee ballot process. I
don't believe that you're
really questioning the
Dominion machines.
Because we did a hand
retally, a 100% retally of
all the ballots and
compared them to what
the machines said and came
up with virtually the same
result. Then we
did the recount, and
we got virtually the same
result. So I guess we can
probably take that off
the table.
I
don't think there's an issue
about that. What you--
Trump: Well,
Brad. Not that there's not
an issue, because we have a
big issue with Dominion in
other states and
perhaps in yours. But we
haven't felt we needed to go
there. And just to, you
know, maybe put a
little different spin on
what Mark is saying, Mark
Meadows, uh, yeah we'd
like to go further,
but we don't really need to.
We have all the votes we
need.
You
know, we won the state. If
you took, these are the most
minimal numbers, the numbers
that
I gave you, those are
numbers that are certified,
your absentee ballots sent
to vacant
addresses, your out of
state voters 4,925. You know
when you add them up, it's
many more
times, it's many times
the 11,779 number. So we
could go through, we have
not gone through
your Dominion. So we
can't give them blessing. I
mean, in other states, we
think we found
tremendous corruption
with Dominion machines but
we'll have to see.
But
we only lost the state by
that number, 11,000 votes,
and 779. So with that being
said, with
just what we have,
with just what we have we're
giving you minimal, minimal
numbers. We're
doing the most
conservative numbers
possible, we're many times,
many, many times above the
margin. And so we
don't really have to, Mark,
I don't think we have to go
through ...
Meadows: Right
Trump: Because,
what's the difference
between winning the election
by two votes and winning
it by half a million
votes. I think I probably
did win it by half a
million. You know, one of
the
things that happened
Brad, is we have other
people coming in now from
Alabama and from
South Carolina and
from other states, and
they're saying it's
impossible for you to have
lost
Georgia. We won. You
know in Alabama, we set a
record, got the highest vote
ever. In Georgia,
we set a record with a
massive amount of votes. And
they say it's not possible
to have lost
Georgia.
And
I could tell you by our
rallies. I could tell you by
the rally I'm having on
Monday night, the
place, they already
have lines of people
standing out front waiting.
It's just not possible to
have
lost Georgia. It's not
possible. When I heard it
was close I said there's no
way. But they dropped
a lot of votes in
there late at night. You
know that, Brad. And that's
what we are working on
very, very
stringently. But regardless
of those votes, with all of
it being said, we lost by
essentially 11,000
votes and we have many more
votes already calculated and
certified, too.
And
so I just don't know, you
know, Mark, I don't know
what's the purpose. I won't
give
Dominion a pass
because we found too many
bad things. But we don't
need Dominion or
anything else. We have
won this election in Georgia
based on all of this. And
there's nothing
wrong with saying
that, Brad. You know I mean,
having the correct — the
people of Georgia are
angry. And these
numbers are going to be
repeated on Monday night.
Along with others that
we're going to have by
that time which are much
more substantial even. And
the people of
Georgia are angry, the
people of the country are
angry. And there's nothing
wrong with saying,
you know, um, that
you've recalculated. Because
the 2,236 in absentee
ballots. I mean, they're
all exact numbers that
were done by accounting
firms law firms, etc. and
even if you cut 'em in
half, cut 'em in half
and cut 'em in half, again,
it's more votes than we
need.
Raffensperger: Well
Mr. President, the challenge
that you have is, the data
you have is wrong.
We talked to the
congressmen and they were
surprised.
But
they — I guess there was a
person Mr. Braynard who came
to these meetings and
presented data and he
said that there was dead
people, I believe it was
upward of 5,000. The
actual number were
two. Two. Two people that
were dead that voted. So
that's wrong. There
were two.
Trump: Well
Cleta, how do you respond to
that? Maybe you tell me?
Mitchell: Well,
I would say Mr. Secretary,
one of the things that we
have requested and what
we said was, if you
look, if you read our
petition, it said that we
took the names and birth
years
and we had certain
information available to us.
We have asked from your
office for records that
only you have and so
we said there is a universe
of people who have the same
name and
same birth year and
died.
But
we don't have the records
that you have. And one of
the things that we have been
suggesting formally
and informally for weeks now
is for you to make available
to us the records
that would be
necessary —
Trump: But
Cleta, even before you do
that, and not even including
that, that's why hardly even
included that number,
although in one state we
have a tremendous amount of
dead people. So
I don't know — I'm
sure we do in Georgia, too.
I'm sure we do in Georgia
too.
But,
um, we're so far ahead.
We're so far ahead of these
numbers, even the phony
ballots of
[name], known scammer.
You know the Internet? You
know what was trending on
the Internet?
"Where's [name]?"
Because they thought she'd
be in jail. "Where's
[name]?" It's crazy, it's
crazy.
That was. The minimum
number is 18,000 for [name],
but they think it's probably
about 56,000,
but the minimum number
is 18,000 on the [name]
night where she ran back in
there when
everybody was gone and
stuffed, she stuffed the
ballot boxes. Let's face it,
Brad, I mean. They
did it in slow motion
replay magnified, right? She
stuffed the ballot boxes.
They were stuffed like
nobody had ever seen
them stuffed before.
So
there's a term for it when
it's a machine instead of a
ballot box, but she stuffed
the machine.
She stuffed the ballot
— each ballot went three
times they were showing:
Here's ballot No 1.
Here it is second
time, third time, next
ballot.
I
mean, look. Brad. We have a
new tape that we're going to
release. It's devastating.
And by the
way, that
one event, that one
event is much more than the
11,000 votes that we're
talking about. It's uh,
you know. That one
event was a disaster. And
it's just, you know, but it
was, it was something,
it can't be disputed.
And again we have a version
that you haven't seen but
it's magnified. It's
magnified and you can
see everything. For
some reason they put it in
three times, each ballot,
and I don't know why.
I don't know why three
times. Why not five times,
right? Go ahead.
Raffensperger: You're
talking about the State Farm
video. And I think it's
extremely
unfortunate that Rudy
Giuliani or his people, they
sliced and diced that video
and took it out of
context. The next day
we brought in WSB-TV and we
let them show, see the full
run of tape and
what you'll see, the
events that transpired are
nowhere near what was
projected by, you know —
Trump: But
where were the poll
watchers, Brad? There were
no poll watchers there.
There
were no Democrats or
Republicans. There was no
security there.
It
was late in the evening,
late in the, early in the
morning, and there was
nobody else in the
room. Where were the
poll watchers and why did
they say a water main broke,
which they did
and which was reported
in the newspapers? They said
they left. They ran out
because of a
water main break, and
there was no water main.
There was nothing. There was
no break.
There was no water
main break. But we're, if
you take out everything,
where were the
Republican poll
watchers, even where were
the Democrat poll watchers,
because there were
none.
And
then you say, well, they
left their station, you
know, if you look at the
tape, and this was,
this was reviewed by
professional police and
detectives and other people,
when they left in a
rush, everybody left
in a rush because of the
water main, but everybody
left in a rush. These
people left their
station.
When
they came back, they didn't
go to their station. They
went to the apron, wrapped
around
the table, under which
were thousands and thousands
of ballots in a box that was
not an official
or a sealed box. And
then they took those. They
went back to a different
station. So if they
would have come back,
they would have walked to
their station and they would
have continued
to work. But they
couldn't do even that
because that's illegal,
because they had no
Republican
poll watchers. And
remember, her reputation is
deva — she's known all over
the Internet, Brad.
She's known all over.
I'm
telling you, "Where's
[name]" was one of the hot
items ...[name] They knew
her. "Where's
[name]?" So Brad,
there can be no
justification for that. And
I you know, I give everybody
the
benefit of the doubt.
But that was — and Brad, why
did they put the votes in
three times? You
know, they put 'em in
three times.
Raffensperger: Mr.
President, they did not put
that. We did an audit of
that and we proved
conclusively that they
were not scanned three
times.
Trump: Where
was everybody else at that
late time in the morning?
Where was everybody?
Where were the
Republicans? Where were the
security guards? Where were
the people that
were there just a
little while before when
everyone ran out of the
room. How come we had no
security in the room?
Why did they run to the
bottom of the table? Why do
they run there and
just open the skirt
and rip out the votes? I
mean, Brad. And they were
sitting there, I think for
five hours or
something like that, the
votes. But they just all
happened to run back and go,
you
know, Brad...
Raffensperger: Mr.
President, we'll send you
the link from WSB.
Trump: I
don't care about the link. I
don't need it. Brad, I have
a much better link —
Mitchell: I
will tell you. I've seen the
tape. The full tape. So has
Alex. We've watched it. And
what we saw and what
we've confirmed in the
timing is that. They made
everybody leave, we
have sworn affidavits
saying that. And then they
began to process ballots.
And our estimate is
that there were
roughly 18,000 ballots. We
don't know that. If you know
that ...
Trump: It
was 18,000 ballots but they
used each one three times.
Mitchell: Well,
I don't know about that.
Trump: I
do think because we had ours
magnified out. Each one
magnified out is 18 times
three
Mitchell: I've
watched the entire tape.
Trump: Nobody
can make a case for that,
Brad. Nobody. I mean, look,
you'd have to be a child
to think anything
other than that. Just a
child. I mean you have your
never Trumper...
Mitchell: How
many ballots, Mr. Secretary,
are you saying were
processed then?
Raffensperger: We
had GBI ... investigate
that.
Germany: We
had our — this is Ryan
Germany. We had our law
enforcement officers talk to
everyone who was who
was there after that event
came to light. GBI was with
them as well as
FBI agents.
Trump: Well,
there's no way they could —
then they're incompetent.
They're either dishonest or
incompetent, okay?
Mitchell: Well,
what did they find?
Trump: There's
only two answers, dishonesty
or incompetence. There's
just no way. Look.
There's no way. And on
the other thing, I said too,
there is no way. I mean,
there's no way that
these things could
have been you know, you have
all these different people
that voted but they
don't live in Georgia
anymore. What was that
number, Cleta? That was a
pretty good number
too.
Mitchell: The
number who have registered
out of state after they
moved from Georgia. And so
they had a date when
they moved from Georgia,
they registered to vote out
of state. And then
it's like 4,500, I
don't have that number right
in front of me.
Trump: And
then they came back in and
they voted.
Mitchell: And
voted. Yeah.
Trump: I
thought that was a large
number, though. It was in
the 20s. The point is...
Germany: We've
been going through each of
those as well and those
numbers that we got that
Ms. Mitchell was just
saying, they're not
accurate. Every one we've
been through, are people
that lived in Georgia,
moved to a different state,
but then moved back to
Georgia legitimately.
And in many cases
Trump: How
many people do that? They
moved out and then they
said, "Ah, to hell with it
I'll
move back." You
know, it doesn't sound like
a very normal ... you mean,
they moved out, and
what, they missed it
so much that they wanted to
move back in? It's crazy.
Germany: This
is they moved back in years
ago. This was not like
something just before the
election. So there's
something about that data
that, it's just not
accurate.
Trump: Well,
I don't know, all I know is
that it is certified. And
they moved out of Georgia
and
they voted. It didn't
say they moved back in
Cleta, did it?
Mitchell: No,
but I mean, we're looking at
the voter registration.
Again, if you have
additional
records, we've been
asking for that, but you
haven't shared any of that
with us. You just keep
saying you
investigated the
allegations.
Trump: But,
Cleta, a lot of it you don't
need to be shared. I mean,
to be honest, they should
share it. They should
share it because you want to
get to an honest election.
I
won this election by
hundreds of thousands of
votes. There's no way I lost
Georgia. There's no
way. We won by
hundreds of thousands of
votes. I'm just going by
small numbers when you
add them up they're
many times the 11,000. But I
won that state by hundreds
of thousands of
votes.
Do
you think it's possible that
they shredded ballots in
Fulton County? Because
that's what the
rumor is. And also
that Dominion took out
machines. That Dominion is
really moving fast to get
rid of their,
uh, machinery.
Do
you know anything about
that? Because that's
illegal, right?
Germany: This
is Ryan Germany. No,
Dominion has not moved any
machinery out of Fulton
County.
Trump: But
have they moved the inner
parts of the machines and
replaced them with other
parts?
Germany: No.
Trump: Are
you sure, Ryan?
Germany: I'm
sure. I'm sure, Mr.
President.
Trump: What
about, what about the
ballots. The shredding of
the ballots. Have they been
shredding ballots?
Germany: The
only investigation that we
have into that — they have
not been shredding any
ballots.
There was an issue in
Cobb County where they were
doing normal office
shredding, getting rid
of old stuff, and we
investigated that. But this
is stuff from, you know,
from you know past
elections.
Trump: I
don't know. It doesn't pass
the smell test because we
hear they're shredding
thousands and
thousands of ballots and now
what they're saying, "Oh,
we're just cleaning up
the office." So I
don't think they're
cleaning.
Raffensperger: Mr.
President, the problem you
have with social media, they
— people can say
anything.
Trump: Oh
this isn't social media.
This is Trump media. It's
not social media. It's
really not it's
not social media. I
don't care about social
media. I couldn't care less.
Social media is Big Tech.
Big Tech is on your
side. I don't even know why
you have a side, because you
should want to
have an accurate
election. And you're a
Republican.
Raffensperger: We
believe that we do have an
accurate election.
Trump: No,
no you don't. No, no you
don't. You don't have. Not
even close. You're off by
hundreds of thousands
of votes. And just on the
small numbers, you're off on
these numbers
and these numbers
can't be just — well, why
wont? — Okay. So you sent us
into Cobb County
for signature
verification, right? You
sent us into Cobb County,
which we didn't want to go
into.
And you said it would
be open to the public. And
we could have our - So we
had our
experts
there they weren't
allowed into the room. But
we didn't want Cobb County.
We wanted Fulton
County. And you
wouldn't give it to us. Now,
why aren't we doing
signature — and why can't it
be open to the public?
And
why can't we have
professionals do it instead
of rank amateurs who will
never find
anything and don't
want to find anything? They
don't want to find, you
know, they don't want to
find anything. Someday
you'll tell me the reason
why, because I don't
understand your
reasoning, but someday
you'll tell me the reason
why. But why don't you want
to find?
Germany: Mr.
President, we chose Cobb
County —
Trump: Why
don't you want to find ...
What?
Germany: Sorry,
go ahead.
Trump: So
why did you do Cobb County?
We didn't even request — we
requested Fulton
County, not Cobb
County. Go ahead, please. Go
ahead.
Germany: We
chose Cobb County because
that was the only county
where there's been any
evidence submitted
that the signature
verification was not
properly done.
Trump: No,
but I told you. We're not,
we're not saying that.
Mitchell: We
did say that.
Trump: Fulton
County. Look. Stacey, in my
opinion, Stacey is as
dishonest as they come. She
has outplayed you ...
at everything. She got you
to sign a totally
unconstitutional agreement,
which is a disastrous
agreement. You can't check
signatures. I can't imagine
you're allowed to
do harvesting, I
guess, in that agreement.
That agreement is a disaster
for this country. But she
got you somehow to
sign that thing and she has
outsmarted you at every
step.
And
I hate to imagine what's
going to happen on Monday or
Tuesday, but it's very scary
to
people. You know,
where the ballots flow in
out of nowhere. It's very
scary to people. That
consent decree is a
disaster. It's a disaster. A
very good lawyer who
examined it said they've
never seen anything
like it.
Raffensperger: Harvesting
is still illegal in the
state of Georgia. And that
settlement agreement
did not change that
one iota.
Trump: It's
not a settlement agreement,
it's a consent decree. It
even says consent decree on
it, doesn't it? It
uses the term consent
decree. It doesn't say
settlement agree. It's a
consent
decree. It's a
disaster.
Raffensperger: It's
a settlement agreement.
Trump: What's
written on top of it?
Raffensperger: Ryan?
Germany: I
don't have it in front of
me, but it was not entered
by the court, it's not a
court order.
Trump: But
Ryan, it's called a consent
decree, is that right? On
the paper. Is that right?
Germany: I
don't. I don't. I don't
believe so, but I don't have
it in front of me.
Trump: OK,
whatever, it's a disaster.
It's a disaster. Look.
Here's the problem. We can
go
through signature
verification and we'll find
hundreds of thousands of
signatures, if you let us
do it. And the only
way you can do it, as you
know, is to go to the past.
But you didn't do that in
Cobb County. You just
looked at one page compared
to another. The only way you
can do a
signature verification
is go from the one that
signed it on November
whatever. Recently. And
compare it to two
years ago, four years ago,
six years ago, you
know, or even one. And
you'll
find that you have
many different signatures.
But in Fulton, where they
dumped ballots, you will
find that you have
many that aren't even signed
and you have many that are
forgeries.
OK,
you know that. You know
that. You have no doubt
about that. And you will
find you will be
at 11,779 within
minutes, because Fulton
County is totally corrupt
and so is she, totally
corrupt.
And
they're going around playing
you and laughing at you
behind your back, Brad,
whether you
know it or not,
they're laughing at you and
you've taken a state that's
a Republican state, and
you've made it almost
impossible for a Republican
to win because of cheating,
because they
cheated like nobody's
ever cheated before. And I
don't care how long it takes
me, you know,
we're going to have
other states coming forward
— pretty good.
But
I won't ... this is never
... this is ... We have some
incredible talent said
they've never seen
anything ... Now the
problem is they need more
time for the big numbers.
But they're very
substantial numbers.
But I think you're going to
find that they — by the way,
a little information,
I think you're going to find
that they are shredding
ballots because they have to
get rid of the
ballots because the
ballots are unsigned. The
ballots are corrupt, and
they're brand new and
they don't have a seal
and there's the whole thing
with the ballots. But the
ballots are corrupt.
And
you are going to find that
they are — which is totally
illegal, it is more illegal
for you than it
is for them because,
you know what they did and
you're not reporting it.
That's a criminal, that's
a criminal offense.
And you can't let that
happen. That's a big risk to
you and to Ryan, your
lawyer. And that's a
big risk. But they are
shredding ballots, in my
opinion, based on what I've
heard. And they are
removing machinery and
they're moving it as fast as
they can, both of
which are criminal
finds. And you can't let it
happen and you are letting
it happen. You know, I
mean, I'm notifying
you that you're letting it
happen. So look. All I
want to do is this.
I just want
to find 11,780
votes, which is one more
than we have because we
won the state.
And
flipping the state is a
great testament to our
country because, cause you
know, this is
—
it's a testament that
they can admit to a mistake
or whatever you want to call
it. If it was a
mistake, I don't know.
A lot of people think it
wasn't a mistake. It was
much more criminal than
that. But it's a big
problem in Georgia and it's
not a problem that's going
away. I mean, you
know, it's not a
problem that's going away.
Germany: Mr
President, this is Ryan.
We're looking into every one
of those things that you
mentioned.
Trump: Good.
But if you find it you've
got to say it, Ryan.
Germany: ...
Let me tell you what we are
seeing. What we're seeing is
not at all what you're
describing, these are
investigators from our
office, these are
investigators from GBI, and
they're
looking and they're
good. And that's not what
they're seeing. And we'll
keep looking, at all
these things.
Trump: Well,
you better check the ballots
because they are shredding
ballots, Ryan. I'm just
telling you, Ryan.
They're shredding ballots.
And you should look at that
very carefully. Because
that's so illegal. You
know, you may not even
believe it because it's so
bad. But they're
shredding ballots
because they think we're
going to eventually get ...
because we'll eventually
get into Fulton. In my
opinion it's never too late.
... So, that's the
story. Look, we need only
11,000 votes. We have
are far more than that as it
stands now. We'll have
more and more
. And. Do you have
provisional ballots at all,
Brad? Provisional ballots?
Raffensperger: Provisional
ballots are allowed by state
law.
Trump: Sure,
but I mean, are they counted
or did you just hold them
back because they, you
know, in other
words, how many provisional
ballots do you have in the
state?
Raffensperger: We'll
get you that number.
Trump: Because
most of them are made out to
the name Trump. Because
these are people
that were scammed when
they came in. And we have
thousands of people that
have testified or
that want to testify
when they came in they were
probably going to vote on
November 3. And
they were told I'm
sorry, you've already been
voted for, you've already
voted. The women, men
started screaming, No.
I proudly voted til November
3. They said, I'm sorry, but
you've already
been voted for and you
have a ballot and these
people are beside
themselves. So they went
out and they filled in
a provisional ballot,
putting the name Trump on
it.
And
what about that batch of
military ballots that came
in. And even though I won
the military by
a lot, it was 100
percent Trump. I mean 100
percent Biden. Do you know
about that? A large
group of ballots came
in. I think it was to
Fulton County and they just
happened to be 100
percent for Trump —
for Biden, even though
Trump won the military by a
lot, you know, a
tremendous amount. But
these ballots were 100
percent for Biden. And, do
you know about
that? A very
substantial number came in,
all for Biden. Does anybody
know about it?
Mitchell: I
know about it, but —
Trump: OK,
Cleta, I'm not asking you
Cleta, honestly. I'm asking
Brad. Do you know about the
military ballots that
we have confirmed now. Do
you know about the military
ballots that came in
that were 100 percent,
I mean 100 percent for
Biden. Do you know about
that?
Germany: I
don't know about that, I do
know that we have when
military ballots come in,
it's not
just military, it's
also military and overseas
citizens. The military part
of that does generally go
Republican. The
overseas citizen part of it
generally goes very
Democrat. This was a mix of
'em.
Trump: No,
but this was. That's OK. But
I got like 78 percent in the
military. These ballots were
all for ... They
didn't tell me overseas.
Could be overseas too, but I
get votes overseas too,
Ryan, you know in all
fairness. No they came in, a
large batch came in and it
was, quote, 100
percent for Biden. And
that is criminal. You know,
that's criminal. OK. That's
another criminal,
that's another of the
many criminal events,
many criminal events here.
Oh,
I don't know, look Brad. I
got to get ... I have to
find 12,000 votes and I have
them times a
lot. And therefore, I
won the state. That's before
we go to the next step,
which is in the process
of right now. You
know, and I watched you this
morning and you said, uh,
well, there was no
criminality.
But
I mean, all of this stuff is
very dangerous stuff. When
you talk about no
criminality, I think it's
very dangerous for you
to say that.
I
just, I just don't know why
you don't want to have the
votes counted as they are.
Like even you
when you went and did
that check. And I was
surprised because, you know
...the check... And
we found a few
thousand votes that were
against me. I was actually
surprised because the way
that check was done,
all you're doing is
you know, recertifying
existing votes and, you know
, and you were given votes
and you just counted them up
and you still found 3,000
that were
bad. So that was sort
of surprising that it came
down to three or five I
don't know. still a lot of
votes. But you have to
go back to check from past
years with respect to
signatures. And if you
check with Fulton
County, you'll have hundreds
of thousands because they
dumped ballots into
Fulton County and the
other county next to it.
So
what are we going to do here
folks? I only need 11,000
votes. Fellas, I need 11,000
votes.
Give me a break. You
know, we have that in spades
already. Or we can keep it
going but that's
not fair to the voters
of Georgia because
they're going to see what
happened and they're going
to see what happened.
I mean, I'll, I'll take on
to anybody you want with
regard to [name] and
her lovely daughter, a
very lovely young lady, I'm
sure. But, but [name] ... I
will take on anybody
you want. And the
minimum, there were 18,000
ballots but they used
them three times. So
that's, you know, a
lot of votes. ...and that
one event... And they were
all to Biden, by the way,
that's the other thing
we didn't say. You know,
[name] , the one thing I
forgot to say which
was the most
important. You know that
every single ballot she did
went to Biden. You know
that, right? Do you
know that, by the way, Brad?
Every
single ballot that she did
through the machines at
early, early in the morning,
went to
Biden. Did you know
that, Ryan?
Germany: That's
not accurate, Mr. President.
Trump: Huh.
What is accurate?
Germany: The
numbers that we are showing
are accurate.
Trump:
No, about [name] . About
early in the morning, Ryan.
When the woman took, you
know,
when the whole gang
took the stuff from under
the table, right? Do you
know, do you know who
those ballots, who
they were made out to, do
you know who they were
voting for?
Germany: No,
not specifically.
Trump: Did
you ever check?
Germany: We
did what I described to you
earlier —
Trump: No
no no — did you ever check
the ballots that were
scanned by [name] , a known
political
operative and balloteer. Did
ever check who those votes
were for?
Germany: We
looked into that situation
that you described.
Trump: No,
they were 100 percent for
Biden. 100 percent. There
wasn't a Trump vote in the
whole group. Why
don't you want to find this,
Ryan? What's wrong with you?
I heard your
lawyer is very
difficult, actually, but I'm
sure you're a good lawyer.
You have a nice last name.
But,
but I'm just curious why
wouldn't, why do you keep
fighting this thing? It just
doesn't make
sense. We're way over
the 17,779, right? We're way
over that number and just if
you took just
[name] , we're over
that number by five, five or
six times when you multiply
that times three.
And
every single ballot went to
Biden, and you didn't know
that, but, now you know it.
So tell
me, Brad, what
are we going to do? We won
the election and it's not
fair to take it away from
us like this. And it's
going to be very costly in
many ways. And I think you
have to say that
you're going to
reexamine it and you can
reexamine it, but reexamine
it with people that want to
find answers, not
people that don't want to
find answers. For instance,
I'm hearing Ryan that
he's probably, I'm
sure a great lawyer and
everything. But he's making
statements about those
ballots that he
doesn't know. But he's
making them with such — he
did make them with surety.
But now I think he's
less sure because the answer
is they all went to Biden
and that alone wins
us the election by a
lot. You know, so.
Raffensperger: Mr.
President, you have people
that submit information and
we have our
people that submit
information. And then it
comes before the court and
the court then has to
make a determination.
We have to stand by our
numbers. We believe our
numbers are right.
Trump: Why
do you say that? I don't
know. I mean, sure, we can
play this game with the
courts, but why do you
say that? First of all they
don't even assign us a
judge. They don't even
assign us a judge. But
why wouldn't you — Hey Brad,
why wouldn't you want to
check out
[name] ? And why
wouldn't you want to
say, hey, if in fact,
President Trump is right
about that,
then he wins the state
of Georgia, just that one
incident alone without
going through hundreds
of thousands of
dropped ballots. You just
say, you stick by, I
mean I've been
watching you, you
know, you don't care
about anything. "Your
numbers are right." But your
numbers aren't right.
They're really wrong
and they're really wrong,
Brad. And I know this phone
call is
going nowhere other
than, other than ultimately,
you know — Look ultimately,
I win, okay?
Mitchell: Mr.
Secretary...
Trump: Because
you guys are so wrong. And
you treated this. You
treated the population of
Georgia so badly. You,
between you and your
governor, who was down at
21, he was down 21
points. And like a
schmuck, I endorsed him and
he got elected, but I will
tell you, he is a
disaster.
And
he knows, I can't imagine
that people are so angry in
Georgia, I can't imagine
he's ever
getting elected again
I'll tell you that much
right now. But why wouldn't
you want to find the right
answer, Brad, instead
of keep saying that the
numbers are right? Cause
those numbers are so
wrong?
Mitchell: Mr.
Secretary, Mr. President,
one of the things that we
have been, Alex can talk
about
this, we talked about
it, and I don't know whether
the information has been
conveyed to your
office, but I think
what the president is
saying, and what we've been
trying to do is to say,
look,
the court is not
acting on our petition. They
haven't even assigned a
judge. But the people of
Georgia and the people
of America have a right to
know the answers. And you
have data and
records that we don't
have access to. And you keep
telling us and making public
statements
that you investigated
this and nothing to see
here. But we don't know
about that. All we know is
what you tell us. What
I don't understand is why
wouldn't it be in everyone's
best interest to try
to get to the bottom,
compare the numbers, you
know, if you say, because -
to try to be able to
get to the truth
because we don't have any
way of confirming what
you're telling us. You tell
us
that you had an
investigation at the State
Farm Arena. I don't have any
report. I've never seen a
report of
investigation. I don't know
that is. I've been pretty
involved in this and I don't
know.
And that's just one of
like 25 categories. And it
doesn't even, and as I, as
the president said, we
haven't even gotten
into the Dominion issue.
That's not part of our case.
It's not part of our, we
just didn't feel as
though we had any way to be
able to develop —
Trump: No,
we do have a way but I don't
want to get into it. We
found a way in other states
excuse me, but we
don't need it because we're
only down 11,000 votes so we
don't even need
it. I personally think
they're corrupt as hell. But
we don't need that. Because
all we have to do
Cleta is find
11,000-plus votes. So we
don't need that. I'm not
looking to shake up the
whole
world. We won Georgia
easily. We won it by
hundreds of thousands of
votes. But if you go by
basic simple numbers,
we won it easily, easily. So
we're not giving Dominion a
pass on the
record. We just, we
don't need Dominion, because
we have so many other votes
that we don't
need to prove it any
more than we already have.
Hilbert: Mr.
President and Cleta, this is
Kurt Hilbert, if I might
interject for a moment. Um
Ryan,
I would like to
suggest just four categories
that have already been
mentioned by the president
that have actually
hard numbers of 24,149 votes
that were counted illegally.
That in and of itself
is sufficient to
change the results or place
the outcome in doubt. We
would like to sit down with
your office and we can
do it through purposes of
compromise and just like
this phone call, just
to deal with that
limited category of votes.
And if you are able to
establish that our numbers
are
not accurate, then
fine. However, we believe
that they are accurate.
We've had now three to
four separate experts
looking at these numbers.
Trump: Certified
accountants looked at them.
Hilbert: Correct.
And this is just based on
USPS data and your own
secretary of state's data.
So that's what we
would entreat and ask you to
do, to sit down with us in a
compromise and
settlements proceeding
and actually go through the
registered voter IDs and
registrations. And
if you can convince us
that that 24,149 is
inaccurate, then fine. But
we tend to believe that is,
you know, obviously
more than 11,779. That's
sufficient to change the
results entirely in of
itself.
So what would you say
to that, Mr. Germany?
Germany: Kurt,
um I'm happy to get with our
lawyers and we'll set that
up. That number is not
accurate. And I
think we can show you, for
all the ones we've looked
at, why it's not. And so if
that would be
helpful, I'm happy to
get with our lawyers and set
that up with you guys.
Trump: Well,
let me ask you, Kurt, you
think that is an accurate
number. That was based on
the
information given to
you by the secretary of
state's department, right?
Hilbert: That
is correct. That information
is the minimum most
conservative data based upon
the USPS data and the
secretary of state's office
data that has been made
publicly available.
We do not have the
internal numbers from the
secretary of state. Yet, we
have asked for it six
times. I sent a letter
over to Mr... several times
requesting this information,
and it's been
rebuffed every single
time. So it stands to
reason that if the
information is not
forthcoming,
there's something to
hide. That's the problem
that we have.
Germany: Well,
that's not the case sir.
There are things that you
guys are entitled to get.
And
there's things that
under the law, we are not
allowed to give out.
Trump: Well,
you have to. Well, under the
law you're not allowed to
give faulty election
results,
OK? You're not allowed
to do that. And that's what
you done. This is a faulty
election result. And
honestly, this should
go very fast. You should
meet tomorrow because you
have a big election
coming up and because
of what you've done to
the president — you know,
the people of
Georgia know that this
was a scam. And because of
what you've done to the
president, a lot of
people aren't going
out to vote and a lot of
Republicans are going to
vote negative because
they hate what you did
to the president. Okay? They
hate it. And they're going
to vote. And you
would be respected.
Really respected, if this
thing could be straightened
out before the election.
You have a big
election coming up on
Tuesday. And therefore I
think that it is really
important
that you meet
tomorrow and work out on
these numbers. Because I
know Brad that if you think
we're right, I think
you're going to say, and I'm
not looking to blame
anybody. I'm just saying you
know, and, you know,
under new counts, and under
uh, new views, of the
election results, we
won the election. You
know? It's very simple. We
won the election. As the
governors of major
states and the
surrounding states said,
there is no way you lost
Georgia, as the Georgia
politicians say, there
is no way, you lost Georgia.
Nobody. Everyone knows I won
it by hundreds
of thousands of votes.
But I'll tell you it's going
to have a big impact on
Tuesday if you guys
don't get this thing
straightened out fast.
Meadows: Mr.
President. This is Mark. It
sounds like we've got two
different sides agreeing
that
we can look at these
areas ands I assume that we
can do that within the next
24 to 48 hours to
go ahead and get that
reconciled so that we can
look at the two claims and
making sure that we
get the access to the
secretary of state's data to
either validate or
invalidate the claims that
have been made. Is
that correct?
Germany: No,
that's not what I said. I'm
happy to have our lawyers
sit down with Kurt and the
lawyers on that side
and explain to my him,
here's, based on what we've
looked at so far, here's
how we know this is
wrong, this is wrong, this
is wrong, this is wrong,
this is wrong.
Meadows: So
what you're saying, Ryan,
let me let me make sure ...
so what you're saying is
you really don't want
to give access to the data.
You just want to make
another case on why the
lawsuit is wrong?
Germany: I
don't think we can give
access to data that's
protected by law. But we can
sit down
with them and say —
Trump: But
you're allowed to have a
phony election? You're
allowed to have a phony
election
right?
Germany: No
sir.
Trump: When
are you going to do
signature counts, when are
you going to do signature
verification on Fulton
County, which you said you
were going to do, and now
all of a sudden
you're not doing it.
When are you doing that?
Germany: We
are going to do that. We've
announced —
Hilbert: To
get to this issue of the
personal information and
privacy issue, is it
possible that the
secretary of state
could deputize the lawyers
for the president so that we
could access that
information and
private information without
you having any kind of
violation?
Trump: Well,
I don't want to know who it
is. You guys can do it very
confidentially. You can sign
a
confidentiality agreement.
That's OK. I don't need to
know names. But we go the
information
on this stuff that
we're talking about. We got
all that information from
the secretary of state.
Meadows: Yeah.
So let me let me recommend,
Ryan, if you and Kurt would
get together, you
know, when we get off
of this phone call, if you
could get together and work
out a plan to
address some of what
we've got with your
attorneys where we can we
can actually look at the
data. For example, Mr.
Secretary, I can tell you
say they were only two dead
people who would
vote. I can promise
you there were more than
that. And that may be
what your investigation
shows, but I can
promise you there were more
than that. But at the same
time, I think it's
important that we go
ahead and move expeditiously
to try to do this and
resolve it as quickly as
we possibly can. And
if that's the good next
step. Hopefully we can, uh
we can finish this phone
call and go ahead and
agree that the two of you
will get together
immediately.
Trump: Well
why don't my lawyers show
you where you got the
information. It will show
the
secretary of state,
and you don't even have to
look at any names. We don't
want names. We
don't care. But we got
that information from you.
And Stacey Abrams is
laughing about you
know she's going
around saying these guys are
dumber than a rock. What
she's done to this
party is unbelievable,
I tell ya. And I only ran
against her once. And that
was with a guy named
Brian Kemp and I beat
her. And if I didn't run,
Brian wouldn't have had even
a shot, either in the
general or in the
primary. He was dead, dead
as a doornail. He never
thought he had a shot at
either one of them.
What a schmuck I was. But
that's the way it is. That's
the way it is. I
would like you ... for
the attorneys ... I'd like
you to perhaps meet with
Ryan ideally tomorrow,
because I think we
should come to a resolution
of this before the election.
Otherwise you're
going to have people
just not voting. They
don't want to vote. They
hate the state, they hate
the governor and they
hate the secretary of state.
I will tell you that right
now. The only people
like you are people
that will never vote for
you. You know that Brad,
right? They like you know,
they like you. They
can't believe what they
found. They want people like
you. So, look, can you
get together tomorrow?
And Brad. We just want the
truth. It's simple. And
everyone's going to
look very good if the
truth comes out. It's OK. It
takes a little while but let
the truth come out.
And the real truth is
I won by 400,000 votes. At
least. That's the real
truth. But we don't need
400,000.
We need less than
2,000 votes. And are you
guys able to meet tomorrow
Ryan?
Germany: Um,
I'll get with Chris, the
lawyer representing us and
the case, and see when he
can get together with
Kurt.
Raffensperger: Ryan
will be in touch with the
other attorney on this call,
Mr. Meadows. Thank
you President Trump
for your time.
Trump: OK,
thank you, Brad. Thank you,
Ryan. Thank you. Thank you,
everybody. Thank you
very much. Bye.